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Time instead of forward in time........
Truly if one thinks about it the good westerns are very much like the good Sci-Fi.
There is always one who opposes another-the adversary.
The principal character in opposition to the protagonist or hero of a narrative or drama.
There is that friction with those characters. It all really boils down to people,interesting people and how the stories are told.
There are just two different settings.
I have always liked to compare two of my favorite shows of all time, Gunsmoke(the western, of course), and Star Trek(TOS, sci-fi of course).

They always had good storytelling with some kind of lesson, big or little, there was always a lesson to learn.
Each had characters we love to watch. In the early years of Gunsmoke, we have Chester Goode and "Doc" Adams sparring with one another and always the protagonist Matt Dillon (James Arness), then after Dennis Weaver left entered Ken Curtis as Festus and then the fun really began with him antagonizing ole Doc sometimes unbeknown to him and sometimes not. In the end through all of that we the audience knew they cared for each other and it was like relationships we all have, we can relate.

Now, Star Trek, of course had the protagonist Kirk buffering the likes of Spock the antagonist to another "Doc"--Bones. Same kind of sparring and same kind of relationship as Doc and Chester/Festus on Gunsmoke. We would turn in every week to see these characters spare and fight and in the end, a wink and a nod and a damn good laugh as well.
The bottom line is this: good storytelling. It always starts with the writers and then the actors interpret it to where we enjoy watching, etc.

So my point is this----I betcha never thought about westerns in that light. (Hell I like all storytelling as long as it is good).....

My real question then is this--[font=Century Gothic]Do you have any favorite western T.V. shows or movies and if so what are they?[/font]

I will start off and say no matter what anyone says John Wayne will always be one of the true great giants of the silver screen.....

I mean---from beginning to end no one really had quite a career as he did.....here are some of his films:

Stagecoach,
Dark Command,
Red River,
Fort Apache,
3 Godfathers,
She Wore a Yellow Ribbon,
Rio Grande,
The Searchers,
Rio Bravo,
The Horse Soldiers,
The Sons of Katie Elder,
The War Wagon,
True Grit,
The Cowboys,
Chisum,
Big Jake,
The Shootist
And those are just the westerns!! Every damn one of them are excellent I might add.....

I also love Once Upon A Time in the West, Sergio Leone's masterpiece with the only villain part Henry Fonda every played and boy did he play an excellent one! You gotta see that one, it also has Charles Bronson, Eli Wallach, Keenan Wynn, Claudia Cardinale.

Jimmy Stewart, Randolph Scott, Gary Cooper and so many others did excellent westerns........

I also love Gunsmoke, of course, on the television side...........I have spouted enough......I hope I am not the lone loon on the western loving planet.......
any others??

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Any John Wayne / John Ford Movie. Basically, almost any John Wayne movie. James garner for that matter. My dad was a Western Fanatic and I spent many a Friday Night in my youth at the Drive In watching a western or 2. Hell, Saturday Afternoon westerns were part of his ritual as long as he was still alive.

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Maverick
Rawhide
Gunsmoke
Alias Smith & Jones
Wild Wild West {My Personal Favorite}
The Virginian
Bonanza
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I should have added to this thread ages ago. I don't want rile Woodrow, but I've not seen many John Wayne films lol, even though my dad is a big fan, the majority of my favorites are Clint Eastwood and Sergio Leone ones, in no particular order:

High Noon
The Treasure of The Sierra Madre
The Big Country
Will Penny
A Fistful of Dollars
For a Few Dollars More
The Good, The Bad and The Ugly.
Once Upon A time In The West
A Fistful of Dynamite
High Plains Drifter
The Outlaw Josey Wales
Pale Rider
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No riled Woodrow here! That is a cool list and I love em all too.....
If you want to see the magic of The Duke, then I would start off with The Searchers, then Rio Bravo (which is hysterical with Dean Martin, Walter Brennen, Angie Dickinson, and Ricky Nelson all having a blast doing it and I am sure lots of the dialogue was off the cuff....).....
Then go on to True Grit and his final film which I just love for more reasons that one, The Shootist.....

After those four you can branch out to others. For my money those are the definitive Duke Wayne movies, but all his westerns are good....I also love The Sons of Katie Elder with Dean Martin again.....he is a favorite of mine as well. I always thought he was underrated too, ala James Garner just because they make it look so easy, yet that is why they are so natural and so good.

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I love Wild, Wild West also, but to me it is not a Western, but rather a secret agent show, of the James Bond, Man From U.N.C.L.E., I Spy genre.



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Any John Wayne / John Ford Movie. Basically, almost any John Wayne movie. James garner for that matter. My dad was a Western Fanatic and I spent many a Friday Night in my youth at the Drive In watching a western or 2. Hell, Saturday Afternoon westerns were part of his ritual as long as he was still alive.

TV:

Maverick
Rawhide
Gunsmoke
Alias Smith & Jones
Wild Wild West {My Personal Favorite}
The Virginian
Bonanza
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My ten favorite westerns of all time:

1- The Good The Bad And The Ugly
2- Once Upon A Time In The West
3- For A Few Dollars More
4- The Wild Bunch
5- The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
6- A Fistful Of Dollars
7- The Searchers
8- Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid
9- Unforgiven
10- Tombstone


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Cyril The Thrill wrote:
My ten favorite westerns of all time:

1- The Good The Bad And The Ugly
2- Once Upon A Time In The West
3- For A Few Dollars More
4- The Wild Bunch
5- The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
6- A Fistful Of Dollars
7- The Searchers
8- Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid
9- Unforgiven
10- Tombstone


Great list Cyril, Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid I'm surprised I forgot, or else I'd have added that too.


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Probably among the minority here - but - I never cared for The Unforgiven.

And, yes mjhbuckeye, WWW was a spy series wrapped in western garb - but that's what made it cool.


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After finally seeing High Noon for the very first time last week I must add it to my list and make a revision:


1- The Good The Bad And The Ugly
2- Once Upon A Time In The West
3- For A Few Dollars More
4- The Wild Bunch
5- The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
6- High Noon
7- A Fistful Of Dollars
8- The Searchers
9- Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid
10- Unforgiven


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Your list is getting even closer to mine then, you've got good taste Cyril 8)


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The Searchers (1956)
True Grit (2010)
The Wild Bunch (1969)
Red River (1948)
The Good The Bad and The Ugly (1967)
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence (1962)
The Shootist (1978)
Once Upon A Time In The West (1969)
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969)
High Noon (1955)

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I somehow missed this thread until now; I only noticed it because new member Shatners Grim posted on it today. Oh, well, better late than never...
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If you want to see the magic of The Duke, then I would start off with The Searchers, then Rio Bravo ...Then go on to True Grit and his final film which I just love for more reasons that one, The Shootist..... After those four you can branch out to others. For my money those are the definitive Duke Wayne movies, but all his westerns are good....I also love The Sons of Katie Elder with Dean Martin again...

My personal favorite of the Duke's is El Dorado (1967). I know some will say that it's just a copy of Rio Bravo, but...maybe because it was one of the first Duke movies I've ever seen and in a 2nd-run theater, not just on a TV, it will always be like the ultimate John Wayne western for me. Also, Wayne paired up with many other big stars in westerns during his career (Kirk Douglas, Dean Martin, Rock Hudson, Richard Widmark, etc.) but I think he worked best with Robert Mitchum. The two of 'em just seemed so natural together in this one and just effortless.

As for TV, I only began to watch TV western shows in the late sixties, so I missed for example many of the early Gunsmoke episodes and only caught the last couple of years of The Virginian (my two favorites). But, thanks to such channels as TV Land and Encore Westerns, I caught up with almost all the episodes I missed starting about 4 years ago. For a period of about 3 years, up until a year ago, I was immersed in sixties western TV, also including almost all the Bonanza episodes. Another favorite is The Big Valley (ahh, Audra Barkley..).

I did notice the similar character dynamics - the 'Doc' and his foil - to such sci-fi favorites as Star Trek... I wonder if Gene Roddenberry based the McCoy & Spock relationship on the Gunsmoke interaction. In some ways, Roddenberry was creating a wild west show in outer space, after all, with outer space being the new wild frontier.


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I haven't replied in this thread simply because I could never sit through westerns. Not sure why, the genre just didn't catch my interest. However, HBO's Deadwood is by far my favorite. It's the only thing I watched completely through for this genre and always anticipated each week and each season. After loving this show, I did decide to watch True Grit with Jeff Bridges, also because of the high accolades. I was definitely impressed with the film and the acting. So where many have a top 10 list, mine consists of just 2. :)

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TV Western Favorites:

1. Gunsmoke
2. Have Gun Will Travel
3. The Rifleman
4. Wanted Dead Or Alive

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I'd sneak Maverick/Wild Wild West as a tie for 5th on your list, SGR ;)


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My top Westerns, In no particular Order:

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Fistful of Dollars
Mr. Majestyk
Blazing Saddles
Treasure of the Sierra Madre
Rio Bravo
The Deserter
A Man Called Horse
High Plains Drifter
The Magnificent Seven
Chato's Land
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I've never been a great western fan, but two of my biggest ones are really bizarre ones without being all-out fantasy stories, even though they play around with the idea -

THE MISSOURI BREAKS
JUDGE ROY BEAN

I don't know about anyone else, but I don't get the slightest bit embarrassed by Marlon Brando's deliberate overacting in MISSOURI BREAKS. It just adds to the enjoyment.
And I don't know how fans of Anthony Perkins in general feel about his scene as the preacher in JUDGE ROY BEAN, but I think he's nearly the most entertaining thing about the movie.


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Marlon Brando and Karl Malden are in another GREAT Western, One Eyed Jacks! It's a little long but VERY interesting, to me. :clap:

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