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Unread postPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:33 pm 
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I'm the opposite. I'm a sports fan. I love watching football, baseball, hockey etc. Fantasy sports just gives it all a little more excitement.



I am a football fan, but its definitely fantasy that got me back into it.
I was a big Redskins fan when I was little, as thats what my family liked, and I "grew into" that if you will.
But when I became older and started working, dating etc. etc. I just got away from it.

Fast forward a number of years then some bastard Lazy helped get me into fantasy football, and the rest is history. :dance:

BTW- Whit mentioned RedZone. I have it and have for a number of years now. Its a fantasy players best friend.
Kinda bad ass to be honest. :twisted:




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Whit, you wrote "You most certainly can place the overexposure of the NFL on Fantasy Football."
Please go back and reread my post in question. I think you may have misinterpreted it.
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Oh no....I knew what you meant. I guess I was just sort of repeating you and did a crappy job of relaying my agreement.

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Week 2 is in the books boys............ my team exploded this week, after Lazy narrowly escaped me last week. :P

BTW- For SVB, the rivalry between Lazy and I continues.
I went back and did some checking.


2007 - TZ 2 wins..... Lazy 0 wins
2008 - TZ 1 win..... Lazy 1 win
2009 - TZ 1 win..... Lazy 1 win
2010 - TZ 0 wins..... Lazy 1 win
2011 - TZ 1 win..... Lazy 1 win
2012 - TZ 1 win..... Lazy 1 win
2013 - TZ 0 wins..... Lazy 2 wins


Now this year,last week I lost to him, so thus far its TZ 6 to Lazy 8. We do have another match later this season.
Well done to Lazy and his brother (which used to post here occasionally), as they are co-managing another team in a $100 per team league I have. Whereas last year they didn't have a good season, they are off to an undefeated start there this time.
Just for kicks, I do have a rivalry week match vs whit too, later in the season also.
Perhaps I can drop this on him. Whitsbrain Axe



Absolute ton of brutal RB injuries this season (and injuries overall this week too), and since I avoided RBs early, and went WR heavy for the most part I avoided all that bullshit. I do roster Mark Ingram though, who for the first time ever he was running great for two weeks then broke his wrist/arm, and will be out 4+ weeks. LOL.
Whit will be pleased to hear that Adrian Peterson is slated to possibly play this week, after being cleared of one* of the recent child abuse charges. Looks like he will escape a harsh punishment, though I'm sure the NFL will come down in some fashion on him.


Any thoughts on how this league is going so far this year guys????


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BTW- For SVB, the rivalry between Lazy and I continues.
I went back and did some checking.





2010 - TZ 0 wins..... Lazy 1 win
2013 - TZ 0 wins..... Lazy 2 wins




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:bell: I've got Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice as my running backs this weekend! All the fantasy news sites tell me that absolutely NO NFL defense will be able to touch them! :dance:

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So my roster is now comprised of the following:

Questionable: 4
Probable: 4
Out: 2

This means that, not counting my Kicker and Defense, I have a total of 4 players that aren't either hurt or suspended.
I'll have to start players with injured statuses.

This is lots of fun. :yack:

I think I'll call it quits after this season.

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I know how this works my friend, you have seen it in my years here too many times in this PTE league.

Typically why I draft 6 RBs now, I "strap in" and prepare for it. :D

In my biggest league/$200 a team, its standard scoring 3WR 2 RB 1 TE DEF 1QB etc, like the typical PTE league. (we have no flex like the PTE league this year though)
As of Wednesday I had 3 questionables, 2 probables and 2 OUTS, so I definitely know where you are coming from.
I think since then 1 has moved from a "questionable" to a "probable".
The "probables" generally play, so I tend not to worry with that, only checking pregame.

When someone asks me if I'm going to win, I just say "debatable". :ROTF:

(for those interested, I'm off to a 1-1 start, and started Matt Ryan and Julio Jones this week so I have over a 57 point head start, so I should win this week)

Good luck this week boys.

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I get what you're saying. This is clearly the worst situation I can remember being in. And this is my 21st season of playing Fantasy Football.

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I had a shitty week this week....well I had a real shitty week in my other league. This one turned into a bummer, even with Forte going tonight, I'm pretty much done (unless the guy scores 2-3 TDs). Two Outer league -- here's to hoping Cutler blows -- I'd like for my brother and I to start 3-0.

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Just checked my roster today. 14 position players...

Adrian Peterson - OUT
Ryan Matthews - OUT
Eric Decker - OUT
Jonathan Stewart - OUT
Alshon Jeffery - Questionable
Arian Foster - Questionable
Roddy White - Questionable
Vernon Davis - Questionable
Antonio Gates - Probable
Tony Romo - Probable

Seriously...tell me that this is not the most decimated Fantasy team you have ever seen? And we just finished friggin' WEEK THREE!!!! :x

My healthy, position players? Phillip Rivers, Rueben Randle, Jerick McKinnon, Niles Paul...that's it. :yack:

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Seriously...tell me that this is not the most decimated Fantasy team you have ever seen?



Jeffrey is back and OK after last nights game.
I have Eric Decker in my other two leagues, so I know what a pain in the ass he is.
To top that off, I have him and Demaryius Thomas (DT in all 3 leagues), and DT is on a bye, and you don't know how Decker will be for next week.

What to do.......................

The good news on Decker is that while he was taken out of the game, he did NOT suffer a setback, and seemed to be taken out as a precautionary measure.

Check out my fluke loss this week in this league.....
Less than 6 pts from Demaryius Thomas, less than 6 from Jordy Nelson,LESS THAN 5 FROM MATT STAFFORD, 3.30 from Joique Bell ,oh and not to be outdone, a season ending injury to Dennis Pitta and he netted me 1.20 pts.

I lose the week by less than 3.5 points. Seriously? :ROTF:


To be fair, Dennis Pitta never stood a chance this year, since I drafted him on 2 different teams. He was a LOCK to get hurt. (how nice, in my OTHER league I had Kyle Rudolph, lost him too so I am now without a TE in any league)
Since I have Demaryius Thomas on all three teams, he will soon be out for the year too.
Hopefully none of you have him in any other leagues, you can kiss him goodbye soon.


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TRADE OFFER SENT TO THE MISFITS..........................








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I got housed in my other league too - relying on 4 players in the GB-Det game that should've been a shootout. I felt your pain on Stafford and Bell, but also had Cobb and Lacy - all sucked donkey balls. Had Maclin sitting on the pine, but even with him playing I still would've lost. PtE also a rough outing.

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Yes, Teddy Bridgewater looked very good. Plus, Jerick McKinnon, who I picked up in our Yahoo league, is going to be an above average RB.

But I'm not getting my hopes up. If I see Teddy and McKinnon can play well all season and not get injured, I'll be a bit less skeptical.

I'm old enough to have watched this team lose 4 Super Bowls in the '70s and 3 NFC Championship games over the last 15 years. I'm used to disappointments.

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Trade offer sent to WHIT for Sankey......................................







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Lazy - Please inform Drew/Bieber Fever that I sent him a trade offer for his backup TE.



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Lazy - Please inform Drew/Bieber Fever that I sent him a trade offer for his backup TE.



Thanks.




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He is aware - he mentioned it to me today. I think he is still pondering it, but may have a decision shortly.

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League update for Doc, SVB and any others that may care:

Bieber Fever (my colleague), Derelicts (alsunday here on the board), and Misfits (my cousin, jcrm316 on this board) are atop at 4-2.
TZ DZ takes 4th with a 3-3 record. I am in 6th also at 3-3 - only about 50-60 points separate us. My brother's team Start the Carr (publicmenace on this board) and Plow Kings (meatbag on this board) are also 3-3. I just defeated Whit this week, dropping his team to 2-4, sitting in 9th place.

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He is aware - he mentioned it to me today. I think he is still pondering it, but may have a decision shortly.




He apparently declined very shortly after I made the offer, I checked earlier.

FWIW- I offered him Steven Jackson for Travis Kelce.

We all know Jackson is going to have ups and down with Atlanta, but he will get some production.
His other RBs are Forsett (that hasn't lasted in 7 years) Branden Oliver (looks good, but Mathews will return) Lamar Miller (very nice now that Moreno is gone), he also has Zac Stacy and CJ Spiller, both of whom have been brutally bad this season....and Hillman whose role we don't quite know yet.

Now I'm not saying this is a slam dunk trade, but he is holding Kelce as a second tight end. I don't think he will start him over Delanie Walker any time soon, Walker has been pretty good.
Maybe he has other plans for Kelce, or is looking to deal him elsewhere.

Different ways to look at things I suppose............



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League update for Doc, SVB and any others that may care:

Bieber Fever are atop at 4-2
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TZ DZ takes 4th with a 3-3 record. I am in 6th also at 3-3 -

I just defeated Whit this week, dropping his team to 2-4, sitting in 9th place.



All of you lower in rankings to a team with the name bieber in it. shameful :P
The Lazy/fan rival all the more intriguing because if Lazy hadnt won TZDZ would be tied for first :lol:

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League update for Doc, SVB and any others that may care:

Bieber Fever are atop at 4-2
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TZ DZ takes 4th with a 3-3 record. I am in 6th also at 3-3 -

I just defeated Whit this week, dropping his team to 2-4, sitting in 9th place.



All of you lower in rankings to a team with the name bieber in it. shameful :P
The Lazy/fan rival all the more intriguing because if Lazy hadnt won TZDZ would be tied for first :lol:

I still remember the Tie against Whit a few seasons back. A tie


The funnier thing is that Bieber is his last name - his actual name.

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Where is everybody????????????



I'm here. I have been hustling a bit more than usual, and playing a bit more poker (work) than I normally do, so I haven't been on the board as much the last 6-7 weeks.

In fact fantasy has taken a little bit away too, but thats going to happen every year. :twisted:


I'm still looking to trade a WR1, but apparently nobody is prepared to get off a solid RB.
No biggie, I can make due with the backs I have, I just hate to have to roster essentially 5 top 20 WRs. (and I can't play them all)

I was going to post the standings again for SVB and other interested board members, but I will likely wait until after the weekends games to do it and week 10 is in the books.


Note to whit, you have been a little unlucky this year. I pay attention to everyone's roster and how their players are performing, and you have had the double barrel problem this year.
A ton if injuries(suspensions etc.), and the ones you do have, have not performed well either.
I am sort of happy I didn't draw the #1 or #2 overall pick, as I would have gotten Adrian Peterson most likely.
But remember, the "price is right" in this league, as you have mentioned its all in fun and you have just had a bad year.
Hopefully this doesn't dissuade you from participating next year.

And on that note, I think next year would be a good year for DrMoreau to make a return as well. I think everyone agrees that his presence is missed.



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I could have tried to do more in the way of trades. I liked my team at the beginning of the season, but being a Vikings fan, having Peterson on my team and seeing the whole thing blow up...well, it's been a chore to keep trying. But like you said, the price is right.

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I'm here. I have been hustling a bit more than usual, and playing a bit more poker (work) than I normally do, so I haven't been on the board as much the last 6-7 weeks.

In fact fantasy has taken a little bit away too, but thats going to happen every year. :twisted:


I'm still looking to trade a WR1, but apparently nobody is prepared to get off a solid RB.
No biggie, I can make due with the backs I have, I just hate to have to roster essentially 5 top 20 WRs. (and I can't play them all)

I was going to post the standings again for SVB and other interested board members, but I will likely wait until after the weekends games to do it and week 10 is in the books.


Note to whit, you have been a little unlucky this year. I pay attention to everyone's roster and how their players are performing, and you have had the double barrel problem this year.
A ton if injuries(suspensions etc.), and the ones you do have, have not performed well either.
I am sort of happy I didn't draw the #1 or #2 overall pick, as I would have gotten Adrian Peterson most likely.
But remember, the "price is right" in this league, as you have mentioned its all in fun and you have just had a bad year.
Hopefully this doesn't dissuade you from participating next year.

And on that note, I think next year would be a good year for DrMoreau to make a return as well. I think everyone agrees that his presence is missed.



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I'm not happy with my WR's and could use some help there. Not sure I have any backs you would be interested in but feel free to shoot me over a trade proposal if you see something that might work out for both of us.


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I'm not happy with my WR's and could use some help there. Not sure I have any backs you would be interested in but feel free to shoot me over a trade proposal if you see something that might work out for both of us.




The only RB you have I might be interested in, would be Eddie Lacy.
The others would be similar to what I have already.

I might be interested in getting Lacy for Steve Smith or Kelvin Benjamin, or even Mike Wallace but looking at your roster I seriously doubt you are looking to part with Lacy.
I won't be parting with Jordy and Demaryius Thomas. Nobody is going to give me the kind of offer I would realistically entertain, and from a quick review, I don't see anyone with the roster construction to make me a (fair deal for both of us) to get either one of those.
This year it just seems like the RB landscape is so barren, this league is like most. Pretty much all teams have 1 good back, and the rest is sort of bullshit. Its very rare for one team to have 2 good backs. Most leagues I am in are like this, and the other leagues I know of personally are like this too.
In fact, the only team I know of in all my leagues that has 2 truly great RBs, is essentially already out of the playoffs. The rest of his team is so crippled he doesn't have much of a chance.

I'm not stoked with my RB crew, but thats the price I paid in the drafts, and its going down just like I anticipated.
(leading the league in points and being 5-4 is kind of bullshit, but thats head to head for you)

EDIT- I have another suggestion or two for this league next year too. I will try and post them up in the next few days or early next week.


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I'm not happy with my WR's and could use some help there. Not sure I have any backs you would be interested in but feel free to shoot me over a trade proposal if you see something that might work out for both of us.




The only RB you have I might be interested in, would be Eddie Lacy.
The others would be similar to what I have already.

I might be interested in getting Lacy for Steve Smith or Kelvin Benjamin, or even Mike Wallace but looking at your roster I seriously doubt you are looking to part with Lacy.
I won't be parting with Jordy and Demaryius Thomas. Nobody is going to give me the kind of offer I would realistically entertain, and from a quick review, I don't see anyone with the roster construction to make me a (fair deal for both of us) to get either one of those.
This year it just seems like the RB landscape is so barren, this league is like most. Pretty much all teams have 1 good back, and the rest is sort of bullshit. Its very rare for one team to have 2 good backs. Most leagues I am in are like this, and the other leagues I know of personally are like this too.
In fact, the only team I know of in all my leagues that has 2 truly great RBs, is essentially already out of the playoffs. The rest of his team is so crippled he doesn't have much of a chance.

I'm not stoked with my RB crew, but thats the price I paid in the drafts, and its going down just like I anticipated.
(leading the league in points and being 5-4 is kind of bullshit, but thats head to head for you)

EDIT- I have another suggestion or two for this league next year too. I will try and post them up in the next few days or early next week.


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Yeah I'm not gonna part with Lacey, like you said RB's are a crapshoot this year. I respect you not parting with DT or Nelson but for my team I don't see Steve Smith (been on a decline after early success), Benjamin (can't trust him with Cam so/so) or Wallace (same as Steve Smith) helping much. Wish you luck the rest of the way buddy.


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Yeah I'm not gonna part with Lacey, like you said RB's are a crapshoot this year. I respect you not parting with DT or Nelson but for my team I don't see Steve Smith (been on a decline after early success), Benjamin (can't trust him with Cam so/so) or Wallace (same as Steve Smith) helping much. Wish you luck the rest of the way buddy.


I heard the exact same comments from another guy on Steve Smith in another league.
You have been playing fantasy for years, take a closer look bro, he has had 17 targets the last 2 weeks. SEVENTEEN
As long as he gets those kinds of targets, he will be an easy WR1, make no mistake about it. Its just not worked out that he had monster weeks those games.
His numbers may have dropped a notch, but lets be honest, that pace was unsustainable not just for him, but really any ordinary WR.
After week 4 he was on a pace for like 1700-1800 yards receiving. There has only been 2-3 seasons ever with those kinds of numbers, Megatron's recent year included.

Steve Smith and Mike Wallace should be easy top 15 WRs , but Kelvin Benjamin is the one I worry about. (Tannehill's awful deep ball may hurt Wallace too, as it has already) I read the Wallace thing perfectly. They are using him much better this season as I had anticipated, lining him up everywhere,, and its paying off. He could easily be in the top 10 WR's this season, but Tannehill has just flat out missed him many times and has been terrible on deep passes.
The Kelvin situation is perfect, hes got the tools and ability, but a few drops and spotty Cam play has hampered him. He should still finish around the top 20 or so.


I knew you wouldn't part with Lacy, but it was more to do with he is your best RB you have, and looking at your roster I just knew you wouldn't part with him.

I sent Lazy an offer 2 weeks ago.
I offered him Steve Smith and Jeremy Hill for LeVeon Bell. He declined but I thought that was a very fair offer. (just because I deem anything a fair offer, doesn't mean an owner will do it either, I'm just saying)
I'm figuring he didn't want to lessen the "strength" of his roster, which is RB easily. (he has Forte and Bell) Which coincidentally is one of the better pairings I have seen in all my leagues.

Hill didn't look too bad last night, barring that one flukey fumble. Which he was benched for the 3rd Quarter too. That was silly, since Dalton looked horrendous and Hill was the only "decent" looking semblance of offense they could muster.
Dalton turned in one of the most horrific performances I have seen in years, tallying up a nifty -1.76 fantasy points under our scoring. It worked out where I didn't play poker last night, and I saw most of it.

On that note, I'm guessing with the recent injury to Giovanni Bernard Lazy probably wishes he would have done that trade now. (or at least it has made it more appealing) The early rumors are that Gio Bernard may not even be back next week either. Hill has made a good case for work there for the Bengals, last night just wasn't very pretty.


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Seventeen targets is meaningless unless you reign in the majority of those for yards and/or touchdowns. AJ Green had 10 targets yesterday but only pulled in 3 for a measly 23 yards. Targets have no value in fantasy unless they actually make the receptions. I get the potential is there, but again, has no use unless they're effective week in and week out. Smith's 17 targets over the last 2 weeks netted him a giant 7.10 points - that's disgusting, even for a one-week tally. I don't expect all our players, particularly all-stars, to put up great numbers every week, but unless you score 10 points every week with the occasional 8-9, I can't see giving up a top 5 scorer at RB (see Forte or Bell).

Regarding the injury to Gio -- though an unexpected problem, still doesn't make me want to have made that trade. :D

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Seventeen targets is meaningless unless you reign in the majority of those for yards and/or touchdowns. AJ Green had 10 targets yesterday but only pulled in 3 for a measly 23 yards. Targets have no value in fantasy unless they actually make the receptions. I get the potential is there, but again, has no use unless they're effective week in and week out. Smith's 17 targets over the last 2 weeks netted him a giant 7.10 points - that's disgusting, even for a one-week tally. I don't expect all our players, particularly all-stars, to put up great numbers every week, but unless you score 10 points every week with the occasional 8-9, I can't see giving up a top 5 scorer at RB (see Forte or Bell).

Regarding the injury to Gio -- though an unexpected problem, still doesn't make me want to have made that trade. :D


Would have to agree with my cousin on the topic of Steve Smith targets. Like he said its great he had all those opportunities but the numbers don't lie and he put up 7.1 points for 2 weeks....you can get that kind of production from someone on waivers - lets be honest.

I mean I'm a Giants fan and Randle gets a ton of targets also but he also runs wrong routes and drops balls right in his hands - so yeah his potential is great but means nothing if he isn't hauling in those targets.

Like I said though I respect your decision (quite honestly I rarely make trades in football cause I find it risky with a 16 game schedule - baseball is more acceptable because there are 162 games and can survive a bad trade here and there - a bad trade in football could cost you the season) and quite honestly I believe I mentioned to my cousin that you wouldn't like any of my RB's - quite frankly neither do I lol but they are helping me thus far stay pretty high in the standings despite the fact I think I have the 2nd lowest total point output in the league.

On another note contracts in sports are nuts - Carson Palmer got resigned for 3 years and 50 mil - granted he prolly will never see all that money but still. While a solid QB - I don't feel that warrants an annual salary of nearly 17 mil.


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I think you guys are correct in that a player needs to actually catch the ball, but I think thats pretty obvious.

Please don't make me think you guys are so shortsighted as to that you ignore the volume of targets.
Saying "targets are meaningless" is a bit naive... and extremely "short term results oriented".

Say what you want, but give me the guy who is getting 9 targets a week, over a guy that gets 3.
Also note, that I'm talking about a guy that can actually catch the ball. I think we are all in agreement that Steve Smith is one of the better WRs in the NFL.


This is like the guys in poker that say "Man I would have won that hand had I played". Its not about short term results. So what you would have won that hand, make the correct play long term, thats what gets the money.
So what if he had 2 off weeks.(you play your studs, and take the bitter with the sweet) If he continues to get the targets and he catches what he has his whole career, he should post WR1 numbers, simple. (I only think this because he is in a better situation than with Cam, we may just now be seeing how good this guy really could have been, had he had a great QB. Not that I think Flacco is the second coming either, his deep ball stats is not that great in his career)
This is kind of like looking back at Megatron in one of his bigger years, and saying in retrospect "man I should have benched him these two weeks, he had bad numbers".
He had 2 bad weeks last year, weeks 1 and 6 I think. I'm sure he still got plenty of targets. Do you think he suddenly forgot how to catch the ball? I don't. He continued to get a massive amount of targets and he had a very solid season the rest of the way too.
(before you get cute, I'm not saying Smith is as good of a WR as Johnson either, I'm just making a point)
If we look back in week 3 of this year, Aaron Rodgers had a very bad week, in what rightfully should have been a high scoring shootout.
Are you going to say he was a bad play (or you didn't want him?) just because he had a bad night? I hope not.
I can sit here and yap and say "well you could have gotten just as good of production off the wire", but I'm not so shortsighted as to think you will ever bench Rodgers and use someone off the wire instead, thats ridiculous.

I don't think Rueben Randle is a fair comparison, because I don't think he is as good as a WR as Smith is. He may be in the future, but he certainly hasn't proven himself to be that good yet.

Also note- if you firmly believe that you think Smith will regress and not even be 80% of his hot pace early on, then that (or whatever other reason) may make you not want to make the trade. Or say you think the targets won't continue to him. If you believe that, then I understand that.... and I can get behind that thought train.
But saying "targets are meaningless" is a bit of a stretch, and is just silly.

I want to also state that my above thoughts have nothing to do with whether I want to trade a guy or not. I just offered Smith and at the time he was the one that I thought would be the fairest (combined with Hill). Realize that this was before he had 2 slower weeks, or he may have had one. But thats irrelevant to what I'm saying above anyway.

On Carson Palmer- I've never been a fan of the guy. But the fact is, he is performing at a borderline elite level this year, moreso in fantasy. He is averaging about 23.5 fantasy points per game. I don't necessarily think he can keep that up, but he is earning a bigger paycheck than before.
I don't believe any of these athletes are worth nearly as much as what they are paid, him included, but thats another topic.



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I have to agree with TZ here. Targets to mean a lot. More opportunities for TDs, Yards etc. The best wide receiver in the world isn't shite if they don't get targets.

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I also agree with the comment "you play your studs, and take the bitter with the sweet" -- that's how I feel about AJ Green, Megatron, Cobb, etc. ...I don't expect them to be awesome week in and week out but they is clearly are WR1, so if there's a bad week, "oh well". So then our disagreement just lies in the fact that you believe he is still a #1, and I don't. The guy can still play, run routes, but he's getting old (he's 7 months older than me - that's not great for a WR). He's not the same player anymore, so I don't feel like he is an every week start (despite his targets). So ultimately I think that's where the discrepancy is, and that's fine with me.

My opinion: Steve Smith Sr. is a WR3 with WR2 upside (for fantasy output purposes).

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I have to agree with TZ here. Targets to mean a lot. More opportunities for TDs, Yards etc. The best wide receiver in the world isn't shite if they don't get targets.


Nice, Al. I was wondering where you were at. Thanks for chiming in with your opinion, even though it coincides with your buddy :lol:

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He's not the same player anymore, so I don't feel like he is an every week start (despite his targets). So ultimately I think that's where the discrepancy is, and that's fine with me.

My opinion: Steve Smith Sr. is a WR3 with WR2 upside (for fantasy output purposes).



I don't think he is the same player that he once was either. But from the looks of it, even if he is only 80% of the player he once was, he certainly has a QB that is a much better passer and can get him the ball. (and I'm not even a fan of Flacco) It certainly seems to be making up for that deterioration, no matter how much it actually is.
One would think that unless you consider this a big fluke, he is still on pace for a Demaryius Thomas-like season of 1400 yards, and thats after his two slow weeks with the immense targets.

Its just a matter of perception I suppose, and you just don't view him as strongly as I do at this point, which is fine. I am going to guess that your opinion won't change much, unless he does hit say 1300 yards or so. I would think that puts him into WR1 status. Only 9 WRs hit the 1300 yard mark last year.(TD's will ultimately swing his value too, but I believe 1300 yards should safely put him into wr1 territory)


He may or may not hit the WR1 or so neighborhood that he has started off going towards...... but I will say that you may not have worded what you were thinking correctly.
If he is a WR3 as you say, (everyone should agree thats the bare minimum right?) then he is certainly an every week start, in a start 3 WR league, like this is.
That doesn't even take into account we are now starting a FLEX too!
So unless he completely falls off the map (or God forbid an injury, I hate saying that about anyone) he is absolutely a must start, especially in our start 3WR league. But just maybe not the WR1 I think he *MIGHT* ultimately turn out to be.

Anyway, its just a matter of opinion at this point.
But let me say I would be willing to bet anyone $1,000 that he fits into the top 15 at the end of the year. He should be a dead lock for that, barring a severe dropoff.



I mentioned a couple things earlier about some "suggestions" for this league next year.
Here are my proposed ideas -
#1- Add one additional bench spot.
I think everyone has seen that having only 6 spots is tough in bye weeks, and many leagues are like that, so no surprise.
But adding in an additional spot, that we have to slot a player in every week, adds to the decisions.
I think adding one additional roster spot might make it a bit easier, but would allow for us to keep playing the 3WR and FLEX also.
Which by the way, I'm not really a fan of FLEX, and I vote we don't use it.
(Its OK and I will always be a part of this league, so no matter what we do, I'm in.....its just my preference, win or lose)

#2-Select a draft order in advance, possibly 1-2 weeks. Reason- Allow us to trade draft picks.
What I mean by this, is somehow let us get a draft order say a week or two in advance.
Say I pull the #8 pick, and I want to trade "up" to a number 4 slot.
I might tell jcrm "Ok bro, I want to trade up to the 4th slot, I will give you my 8th slot instead, and ALSO my 6th round pick to boot, in an effort to offset." (I would simply get my pick back in the final round I missed in the 6th)
I'm just using this as an example, but people could offer something like this, in an effort to get the draft pick they want.
Its no problem on Yahoo, it can be punched in , it only takes a minute........its set up where you can do this easily.
True- part of the "anticipation" is knowing when you log in you won't know the surprise of which draft slot you get until right before draft.
But its a long season. A little talk about trading draft picks might be fun too, if you guys are into that.
I know of another local league here where they trade picks like this, and everyone loves it.


Just some things to think about.


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Well they allow for trading draft picks now -- but not knowing your number....so for instance you can offer a trade (although I believe it only allows draft pick for draft pick) and it's based on round (example: i'll trade you my second round pick for a third and a fourth round pick). I've never pre-determined draft order before draft, but I'm not opposed to it. We can definitely offer that up as a poll to vote on. The bench spots, i'll also offer up for a vote, but I was actually considering lowering the number lol. I don't care either way, but sometimes I think it gets ridiculous having this many players on a team and not playing them. I mean if someone gets screwed with bye weeks there would potentially be more options in FA because no team would be able to hoard players.


Steve Smith: yes he would warrant a start but I wouldn't trade a #1 RB for a #3 WR. I know Hill was in it too.

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lazyboyx51 wrote:
I've never pre-determined draft order before draft, but I'm not opposed to it. We can definitely offer that up as a poll to vote on. The bench spots, i'll also offer up for a vote, but I was actually considering lowering the number lol. I don't care either way, but sometimes I think it gets ridiculous having this many players on a team and not playing them. I mean if someone gets screwed with bye weeks there would potentially be more options in FA because no team would be able to hoard players.


In my biggest league ($200 per man,which several of the "two outer guys are in" also) we actually had a live drawing, some 2-3 weeks or so before our scheduled draft date.
There was alot of talk of trading, but since we hadn't actually "allowed" it beforehand and discussed it, nobody did it.
I would have to look back at the options, but I know you can trade draft picks etc. I just have never done it.
The only thing I had to do as commish which was ultimately a little different, was since we actually had a live random "draft order drawing", I had to personally go back in and type in the draft order manually.
All I did was write the draft order down as we drew the names, then when I got home punch them in. It took maybe 5 minutes tops, no big deal.
Even if you do not allow draft order slot trades, you still get the benefit of knowing what spot you will be drafting in, in advance.
Does it take a little of the surprise factor out of it ???? Yes. But I think it was a great trade off.
Suppose you have been drafting early for several years, in say the 2-3 hole.
Then you find out 10 days in advance you are going off say 12th in a 12 man league, which is obviously much, much different. This gives you time to actually mock some, in the acquired draft spot.

I have never done this before, but I can see where it AT LEAST adds an interesting dimension, and allows you just a tiny bit more control of your draft, and ultimately season.

On bench spots- I think I can live with it staying the same, but actually taking a spot away I don't see as a good idea.
Its already thin/normal like standard leagues with 6 bench spots, but when we add in yet another playing position (FLEX) that is essentially another spot we have to compensate for.
Notice we have yet another spot we have to play someone, but we have "essentially" lost overall bench depth slightly in theory..... by having the same physical bench depth, but we are responsible for another spot.
I can see not increasing, but actually decreasing the number of bench depth spots, I just don't think its a good idea.
I think super deep bench leagues places a premium on the great drafters, and 6 bench spots is pretty much a sweet spot.
I don't really see reducing the number of bench spots to less than standard, as a good thing.



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Yep....when next year rolls around remind me of these two options and we will put it up for a vote. Draft pick trades, as far as I know, can only be that - one pick for another. If my team was shite this season and I knew I wouldn't make any headway but wanted to upgrade for next season, I can't trade one of my better players for a better draft pick next season (which I think is stupid). We can only trade pick for pick -- so yes, not knowing what pick you have prior to the draft would be risky, i.e. trading first round pick for 2, 3, 4 and perhaps your first round pick is in the top 5 and you trade to 8th or 9th). The only thing that might throw a wrench in your plans of trading picks is that you would have to trade 2015 draft picks now. Say we pick draft order out of a hat 3 weeks prior to draft, once the live draft goes online I don't think you can change just one round. I mean you would essentially be saying I will trade my #2 slot in the entire draft for your #8 slot. Whereas how it goes right now, you can trade individual picks.

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Yep....when next year rolls around remind me of these two options and we will put it up for a vote. Draft pick trades, as far as I know, can only be that - one pick for another. If my team was shite this season and I knew I wouldn't make any headway but wanted to upgrade for next season, I can't trade one of my better players for a better draft pick next season (which I think is stupid). We can only trade pick for pick -- so yes, not knowing what pick you have prior to the draft would be risky, i.e. trading first round pick for 2, 3, 4 and perhaps your first round pick is in the top 5 and you trade to 8th or 9th). The only thing that might throw a wrench in your plans of trading picks is that you would have to trade 2015 draft picks now. Say we pick draft order out of a hat 3 weeks prior to draft, once the live draft goes online I don't think you can change just one round. I mean you would essentially be saying I will trade my #2 slot in the entire draft for your #8 slot. Whereas how it goes right now, you can trade individual picks.



Have a look back dude....in the settings.
As commissioner I had the option, at least I'm about 90% certain.

The difference is, if say I am #2, and you are #8 we can trade.....well before the actual draft.
All you have to do is go in as commissioner and put me in the #8 spot, and you in the #2 spot, it was easy when I looked at it, and it then puts you in that slot for the rest of the draft.

When you look at it, I am pretty certain that you can add in or subtract/swap in specific rounds as well.
Like I agree to take your #8 pick, and you can have my #2 overall. But in order to offset your supposed advantage of getting an earlier pick, I get your slot in round 6 as well. So in round 6, I actually get the #2 pick,and #8 also.
The you just get an additional at the end to get the extra player that you didn't get earlier.
Note the rest of the rounds are unchanged, from the original agreement.

I use the above as just an example, but this is essentially how its done, though the specific slots and draft order may change, obviously.

On that note, I am inclined to agree with you about "trading future draft picks". This is really only good in a keeper league, where every team is "anchored in" for years.
The whole "trading future draft picks" is no good at all in leagues like ours, and most people don't know why, but the main reason is redraft league turnover.
Think about it....... every year we may lose one guy and pick up another. Suppose we bring DrMoreau and SVB back into the mix.
If someone has already traded for a draft pick, its unfair to them coming in the league fresh, and not to mention one guy may have traded away a high pick, and essentially say "f@%k it I'm not playing this year".
Its just not a good thing to entertain for our leagues, and we shouldn't really even consider it.



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Yep....when next year rolls around remind me of these two options and we will put it up for a vote. Draft pick trades, as far as I know, can only be that - one pick for another. If my team was shite this season and I knew I wouldn't make any headway but wanted to upgrade for next season, I can't trade one of my better players for a better draft pick next season (which I think is stupid). We can only trade pick for pick -- so yes, not knowing what pick you have prior to the draft would be risky, i.e. trading first round pick for 2, 3, 4 and perhaps your first round pick is in the top 5 and you trade to 8th or 9th). The only thing that might throw a wrench in your plans of trading picks is that you would have to trade 2015 draft picks now. Say we pick draft order out of a hat 3 weeks prior to draft, once the live draft goes online I don't think you can change just one round. I mean you would essentially be saying I will trade my #2 slot in the entire draft for your #8 slot. Whereas how it goes right now, you can trade individual picks.



Have a look back dude....in the settings.
As commissioner I had the option, at least I'm about 90% certain.

The difference is, if say I am #2, and you are #8 we can trade.....well before the actual draft.
All you have to do is go in as commissioner and put me in the #8 spot, and you in the #2 spot, it was easy when I looked at it, and it then puts you in that slot for the rest of the draft.

When you look at it, I am pretty certain that you can add in or subtract/swap in specific rounds as well.
Like I agree to take your #8 pick, and you can have my #2 overall. But in order to offset your supposed advantage of getting an earlier pick, I get your slot in round 6 as well. So in round 6, I actually get the #2 pick,and #8 also.
The you just get an additional at the end to get the extra player that you didn't get earlier.
Note the rest of the rounds are unchanged, from the original agreement.

I use the above as just an example, but this is essentially how its done, though the specific slots and draft order may change, obviously.

On that note, I am inclined to agree with you about "trading future draft picks". This is really only good in a keeper league, where every team is "anchored in" for years.
The whole "trading future draft picks" is no good at all in leagues like ours, and most people don't know why, but the main reason is redraft league turnover.
Think about it....... every year we may lose one guy and pick up another. Suppose we bring DrMoreau and SVB back into the mix.
If someone has already traded for a draft pick, its unfair to them coming in the league fresh, and not to mention one guy may have traded away a high pick, and essentially say "f@%k it I'm not playing this year".
Its just not a good thing to entertain for our leagues, and we shouldn't really even consider it.
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Yeah exactly -- I'm not all sure I would want to trade my specific pick for the entire draft or most of the draft, but that's up to anyone else if they were so inclined. I prefer to trade a specific pick in a specific round for a different pick in another round (like they do in the real draft). I see what you are saying regarding turn over. That would happen here as you say. My other league, we have no change in teams. It's been the same 10 managers for the past 4 years and everyone seems to want to remain, so it would work better in that situation. But yes, for managers who take a break but return at a later date, yes, it wouldn't work.

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The bench spots, i'll also offer up for a vote, but I was actually considering lowering the number lol. I don't care either way, but sometimes I think it gets ridiculous having this many players on a team and not playing them. I mean if someone gets screwed with bye weeks there would potentially be more options in FA because no team would be able to hoard players.



I wanted to add in something on this......
I have thought about cutting back bench spots, and I don't think its a good idea.
But then again, I mentioned earlier that actually adding in a spot might be something I wanted to do. I don't know thats a good thing in retrospect either now that I think about it.

By cutting back bench spots, you effectively lessen the importance of the drafts in my opinion.
Lets say you drop the bench spots to 4. Then the free agency is so loaded with talent, you can ultimately have a team that resembles nothing like the one you drafted, 4-5 weeks down the road into the season.

Anyhow, I think you might see the effects this year of the "thin" talent pool. But if we really look at that, it almost assuredly can be attributed to not only starting 3WRS (which has historically been great in this league, and I in fact instituted it in every league i'm in btw) but it can also be rearing its head moreso because we added in a FLEX spot this year.
Note that is basically taking another ten players directly out of the talent pool, and they are on rosters.

In a year like this one, where the running backs and tight ends are essentially a vast wasteland, this "thin talent pool" seems to be standing out and is more apparent.
Lets face it, if you don't have one of a handful of say 6-8 players at either position, this year has been one big mix and match each week. I called it a fantasy "shell game" earlier this season. :ROTF:

I said it earlier this year, but I am not a big fan of FLEX really.
To be honest, it hasn't been as irritating as I thought it might have been but you can definitely see the talent pool on the wire is seriously weakened.

I will take part in this league no matter what. (unless something bad happens)
But the "sweet spot" might have been at the 3WRs, and no flex.
I will say this.......... I have seen a number of 3WR leagues in my time now. And I have seen an even larger number of FLEX leagues. That seems to be a fairly popular way.

I can't say I have ever seen a FLEX and a 3WR league, but I'm sure there are some out there.

I will also say that my biggest league is a 12 team 3WR league too. Its a similar issue as to this league.
The talent pool is extremely depleted on the wire. I can't imagine adding in a flex there.
I suppose its all doable, but I don't know how deep most average fantasy players actually want to go.

Coincidentally, I know of an 18 team league here locally. (I'm almost positive its 18, though it could be 16)
Years ago one of the guys told me "you don't realize it, but some of the best drafting picks are spent on #3 RBs". (teams 3rd stringers/basically drafting hoping injury occurs)
He added "after 2 weeks into the season, almost all RB3 people are long gone, and having 2-3 of those on your bench is huge at that stage".




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Well I was a proponent to adding the Flex position but did not quite understand how keeping 3 WRs in addition to the Flex made it through. In my other league, we all voted on adding the Flex but dropping to 2 WRs, which has worked out very well IMO. I will set it up for vote again next season about keeping the Flex and keep 3WRs or drop to 2WRs. I feel like WRs should drop to 2 if we are to keep a Flex spot. This is the first season I have ever played with a Flex position; I typically have played 3 WRs. I actually really enjoy having the Flex because you can start a 3rd RB or 2nd TE or another WR if need be. You have that "flexibility". I almost prefer 2WRs + Flex to 3 WRs, but either one works for me.

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Just for SVB, DrMoreau and the other board members who may be interested........
Sorry I didn't get this up last week like I had intended.

Here are the standings after week 11.


-PTE FOOTBALL 2014-


1- TZDZ Minions ..... 7-4 ..... (1271.68)
2- Bieber Fever ..... 7-4 ..... (1246.96)
3- Derelicts ..... 7-4 ..... (1180.18)
4- Start the Carr ..... 6-5 ..... (1255.66)
5- The Dark Horse ..... 6-5 ..... (1155.20)
6- J & G's Misfits ..... 6-5 ..... (1152.66)
7- The Goon Squad ..... 5-6 ..... (1190.06)
8- Kajagoogoos ..... 5-6 ..... (1167.00)
9- R&R Razorblades ..... 4-7 ..... (1114.44)
10- Spittin' Whits ..... 2-9 ..... (1013.90)




A couple of notes -
The "KAJAGOOGOOS" are fellow board member "Meatbag's" team. He was in a bit of a slump, and decided to rename his team after international recording superstars "Kajagoogoo" instead of the "Plow Kings". :ROTF:

It continues to amaze me how this league always seems to go right down to the wire most years. No one has locked up a playoff spot yet, with pretty much any of the top 8 teams having a decent chance to still make the playoffs.


Contrast this to my biggest league, that has 12 teams. (we only play a regular season through week 13) All 6 playoff spots are already locked up, oddly enough.



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3-3 to 7-4 and first place?! Impressive...so maybe the attention to small details has finally paid off TZ. :shock: There isnt much advantage to finishing first in a FF league unlike the real NFL playoffs is there? I cant remember but there should be. You dont get a first round bye do you?

Those Whits at 2-9 are sure spittin alright :bell: :D

No ties this season.. what a relief. hate em...


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StillValleyBard wrote:
There isnt much advantage to finishing first in a FF league unlike the real NFL playoffs is there? I cant remember but there should be. You dont get a first round bye do you?

No ties this season.. what a relief. hate em...



In most leagues, there is an advantage.
Most 12 team leagues,(which is the standard) have a three week playoff system, and you are correct in that the best 2 teams out of a typical 6 that go to the playoffs in fact do get a playoff week 1 bye.
Not in our league, since only 4 teams (out of 10) make the playoffs though.

Ties- the newly incorporated decimal scoring will take care of those.
It could still happen but its far less likely than the way we scored before.



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TZ DZ Fan wrote:
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No ties this season.. what a relief. hate em...


Ties- the newly incorporated decimal scoring will take care of those.
It could still happen but its far less likely than the way we scored before.

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Its funny how they can so easily fix the Tie problem in a FF league but let it happen still in the real NFL.


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2 weeks left, time to make a late surge for the playoffs.
As usual, its going to be right down to the wire in this league, with 6, possibly even 7 teams that can still make the playoffs.

Not one team has clinched a playoff spot after 12 weeks. (Lazy may remember this better than I, but I can't say for certain if we have ever reached this 12 week point without a single team clinching) I seem to remember a year with a similar scenario, it just always seems close in this one.
I think I mentioned it, but in my 12 team "big $$ league" all 6 playoff spots were clinched after week 11.

-WEEK 12 STANDINGS-


1- TZDZ Minions ..... 8-4 ..... (1423.94)
2- Bieber Fever ..... 8-4 ..... (1362.18)
3- Start the Carr ..... 7-5 ..... (1375.32)
4- The Dark Horse ..... 7-5 ..... (1282.40)
5- Derelicts ..... 7-5 ..... (1280.70)
6- The Goon Squad ..... 6-6 ..... (1316.54)
7- J&G's Misfits ..... 6-6 ..... (1248.12)
8- Kajagoogoos ..... 5-7 ..... (1251.20)
9- R&R Razorblades ..... 4-8 ..... (1231.84)
10- Spittin' Whits ..... 2-10 ..... (1078.74)





Playoffs are coming in short order boys. (God this season has flown by) :(
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Obviously its early to think about next year, but I certainly think we should go back to 3WRs like we have in the past.
I just love that setup.

Any thoughts on our league this year guys???

RANDOM BITCHING-
#1- Matt Stafford has been atrocious. Its a miracle I have done as well as I have with him at the helm.
I was going to drop someone this week and get another QB, but I decided to play him anyway and not cut loose a WR that someone would undoubtedly pick up and use. I figured being in the lead, I could afford a loss if it happened.
#2- Matt Ryan is even worse.
I have him in my 2 other leagues, and he is like a cancer. But the problem there is his line. I see the highlights and alot of the games, he just doesn't have time to throw. Its awful.
#3- Josh Gordon is a badass.

Lazy- I caught the "dancing Carlton" gif in the smack talk for your matchup with Jason last week. Most people don't seem to have done much of the smack talking this year, compared to years past. (I assume you posted it after the late LeVeon Bell comeback) Gotta admit I laughed when I saw that. :dance:


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Yeah I honestly don't recall how long we have gone before a team has clinched - this is amazing though that it's this tight, yet not at all shocking.

Not too much smack talk - I had to post something after that surprise comeback - down 35 going into MNF I didn't think I had enough to get it done. Wright only 7 points but all were necessary; Bell beasted it and drove it home for me. I thought "the Carlton" was hilariously perfect and appreciated - expressed just how I felt lol.

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