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I've posted about James Bond here cause there are both books and films, I like both, does anyone else like either the books or films?


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I liked the ones in the 80s, and late 70's, when I was young.

But once I got older, I kind of "grew out of them". There is nothing wrong with the movies, but I don't go out of my way to see them.
If I happened to catch one of the newer ones on cable, I would probably watch it though.



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Well the Pierce Brosnan ones were poor compared to what had come before, so you've missed nothing there TZ DZ Fan but Casino Royale has brought a touch of class back to the series, although personally I like all the 60's films best especially On Her Majesty's Secret Service.


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Connery is awesome, no doubt about that. But I also liked Brosnan in the first couple of Bonds that he did.

The new Bond, Daniel Craig, was great in Casino Royale.

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As far as the closest depiction of the character to the book, I'd say it was either Lazenby or Dalton, but still none of the films have depicted the true literary Bond very accurately. It's quite shocking to find after being used to the movie version that the Bond in Fleming's original novel isn't so much charming as short tempered, he gets the girls at the end of the books but mainly down to his good looks not his charm. He swears a lot, is both racist and sexist, in short he's a product of his times, a passage from the book of Goldfinger really shows how politically incorrect Bond's views would be today, in this bit it gives his thoughts on homosexuality:

"He knew the type well and thought that they and their male counterparts were a direct consequence of giving votes to women and 'sex equality'. As a result of fifty years of emancipation, feminine qualities were dying out or being transferred to the males. Pansies of both sexes were everywhere."

On a positive note however the Bond of the books refuses to kill in cold blood unlike his cinematic incarnation, still I'd love to see a film version of the way he was originally depicted, but it'd never happen in a Hollywood movie.


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Unfortunately, Dalton took the helm in the "AID-ies" when they completely dumbed down both Bond and his Sexual exploits when compared to Connery and Moore films.

Brosnan was a good replacement and in hind-sight, I'm glad that the Remington Steele producers held him under contract - the Living Daylights and Licensed to Kill would have sucked regardless of the actor playing Bond. Brosnan brought back the less suave and more dangerous side of Bond.


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Unfortunately, Dalton took the helm in the "AID-ies" when they completely dumbed down both Bond and his Sexual exploits when compared to Connery and Moore films.

Brosnan was a good replacement and in hind-sight, I'm glad that the Remington Steele producers held him under contract - the Living Daylights and Licensed to Kill would have sucked regardless of the actor playing Bond. Brosnan brought back the less suave and more dangerous side of Bond.


I've got to disagree with you on this one DrM, yes they did tone down the sexuality with Dalton but in Licence to Kill, as a renegade agent after revenge for Felix Leiter he was at his most dangerous ever, certainly more so than Brosnan ever was.


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No arguments here :D


My favorite is probably From Russia With Love.


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Unfortunately, Dalton took the helm in the "AID-ies" when they completely dumbed down both Bond and his Sexual exploits when compared to Connery and Moore films.

Brosnan was a good replacement and in hind-sight, I'm glad that the Remington Steele producers held him under contract - the Living Daylights and Licensed to Kill would have sucked regardless of the actor playing Bond. Brosnan brought back the less suave and more dangerous side of Bond.


I've got to disagree with you on this one DrM, yes they did tone down the sexuality with Dalton but in Licence to Kill, as a renegade agent after revenge for Felix Leiter he was at his most dangerous ever, certainly more so than Brosnan ever was.


I'll agree to disagree and leave it at that. :)


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My favorite is probably From Russia With Love.


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Unfortunately, Dalton took the helm in the "AID-ies" when they completely dumbed down both Bond and his Sexual exploits when compared to Connery and Moore films.

Brosnan was a good replacement and in hind-sight, I'm glad that the Remington Steele producers held him under contract - the Living Daylights and Licensed to Kill would have sucked regardless of the actor playing Bond. Brosnan brought back the less suave and more dangerous side of Bond.


I've got to disagree with you on this one DrM, yes they did tone down the sexuality with Dalton but in Licence to Kill, as a renegade agent after revenge for Felix Leiter he was at his most dangerous ever, certainly more so than Brosnan ever was.


I'll agree to disagree and leave it at that. :)


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Fair enough, great pic of Daniela Bianchi by the way :)


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I like all the actors who played Blofeld, but Donald Pleasance was the best.


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Agreed. Can't look at Charles Grey without thinking "Where the hell's your neck," anymore.


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Agreed. Can't look at Charles Grey without thinking "Where the hell's your neck," anymore.


Yeah, I like Charles Grey as an actor but he's my least favourite Blofeld, the next best after Pleasance is Telly Savalas


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The title of the new movie has been revealed "Quantum Of Solace", sounds a strange title for a Bond movie admittedly but it's also the name of one of Ian Fleming's Bond short stories, I doubt that any of the plot of this story will appear in the movie though, because in the story Bond meets a man who tells him about another man he knew that got cheated on by his wife who was a real bitch and thats it basically, no action or espionage elements to it at all.


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Has anyone seen the actual footage of the Crab Torture scene, which was written about by Ian Fleming in his novel, DR. NO, but left out of the actual movie?

One source claims Ursula Andress was nude in that scene, reason it was cut, but I've seen a still of it, and she is not nude, but there are a lot of large crabs around her.

I found it very amusing that Honey, the character in the novel, played in film by Ms. Andress, was such an animal lover, she knew the crabs wouldn't bite her unless she had open sores on her body, and she didn't feel tortured at all but kind of liked having the crabs with her for company, as she tells James Bond, after Dr. No is dispatched, at the end of the novel.


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Has anyone seen the actual footage of the Crab Torture scene, which was written about by Ian Fleming in his novel, DR. NO, but left out of the actual movie?

One source claims Ursula Andress was nude in that scene, reason it was cut, but I've seen a still of it, and she is not nude, but there are a lot of large crabs around her.

I found it very amusing that Honey, the character in the novel, played in film by Ms. Andress, was such an animal lover, she knew the crabs wouldn't bite her unless she had open sores on her body, and she didn't feel tortured at all but kind of liked having the crabs with her for company, as she tells James Bond, after Dr. No is dispatched, at the end of the novel.


I know in the book, Honey, was buck naked all the time but I hadn't heard anything regarding that scene. I just assumed they substituted the tide drowning scene as a replacement.

I was always bummed they left out James vs the giant squid scene personally. ;)


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This was John McLusky's second James Bond for the comic strip..................... :o

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This was John McLusky's second James Bond for the comic strip..................... :o

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That's cool, I just recently read all of McLusky's comic strip adaptations of the Bond novels, they're very good, currently reading the Jim Lawrence and Yaroslav Horak original stories at the moment.


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You can see why Sean Connery was selected as the original 007 after seeing these strips. :)


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Yep, he's got the look 8)


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DrMoreau wrote:
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Has anyone seen the actual footage of the Crab Torture scene, which was written about by Ian Fleming in his novel, DR. NO, but left out of the actual movie?

One source claims Ursula Andress was nude in that scene, reason it was cut, but I've seen a still of it, and she is not nude, but there are a lot of large crabs around her.

I found it very amusing that Honey, the character in the novel, played in film by Ms. Andress, was such an animal lover, she knew the crabs wouldn't bite her unless she had open sores on her body, and she didn't feel tortured at all but kind of liked having the crabs with her for company, as she tells James Bond, after Dr. No is dispatched, at the end of the novel.


I know in the book, Honey, was buck naked all the time but I hadn't heard anything regarding that scene. I just assumed they substituted the tide drowning scene as a replacement.

I was always bummed they left out James vs the giant squid scene personally. ;)


I also was disappointed by the giant squid not being in the film!

Found a reference to the crab torture claiming Ursula was nude in it, in book, SADISM IN THE CINEMA, but it didn't show any stills, but gave reference to a French (?) magazine's report on it. (I'll check it out further, and give it here).

Later, in a book on movies in general (forget title, but it was in reference section of a public library), I found the still of Ursula surrounded by the crabs, which I'll try to post here.

I have read what were supposed to be exhaustive encyclopedias of the James Bond films, and never found any reference to the crab torture scene. which is very surprising, considering all of the cut footage being restored to films today, or being offered as extras on DVDs.


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Shiite...............Crabs aren't the only ones who want to eat THIS dish!!! :evil:

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Agreed. Can't look at Charles Grey without thinking "Where the hell's your neck," anymore.


that was SO FUNNY!!!! :D :D

George Lazenby was best. and so was his movie here.

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Agreed. Can't look at Charles Grey without thinking "Where the hell's your neck," anymore.


that was SO FUNNY!!!! :D :D

George Lazenby was best. and so was his movie here.


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Quantum of Solace was pretty poor, I wrote a little review in the movies section.


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Quantum of Solace was pretty poor, I wrote a little review in the movies section.


It hasn't had great reviews, but everyone seems to still love Craig. I haven't seen it yet - hopefully next week...


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Quantum of Solace was pretty poor, I wrote a little review in the movies section.


It hasn't had great reviews, but everyone seems to still love Craig. I haven't seen it yet - hopefully next week...


He was good, it wasn't his fault it was so poor, he's no Sean Connery but he was one of the few highlights of the film.


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