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Is it too high? I have seen it around $4.00, when will it taper off?
I have heard that our falling dollar, and high demand for crude oil is to blame
for the rise in prices, your thoughts please.

Is it safe to invest in oil stocks?

What does everyone think of alternate forms of energy? How about Hybrid cars?

As you all know, I am for peace, I am not trying to argue the point, I am trying to see
what our best solutions are, thank you.

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Is it too high? I have seen it around $4.00, when will it taper off?
I have heard that our falling dollar, and high demand for crude oil is to blame
for the rise in prices, your thoughts please.

Is it safe to invest in oil stocks?

What does everyone think of alternate forms of energy? How about Hybrid cars?

As you all know, I am for peace, I am not trying to argue the point, I am trying to see
what our best solutions are, thank you.

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Of course alternative fuels are an option but won't come overnight. I think we should start drilling and building some refineries. Even though the oil will take some time to recover, at least it will signal to OPEC and other oil producing nations that we are trying to help ourselves.

And you're absolutely right; the weak dollar is not helping at all. It's a bit troublesome.

I don't think oil will go much higher. You can't sell something for such a high price that no one will buy it. However, China, India and other nations are now competing for supply so that will have an adverse effect as demand will be driven by them as well.

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Of course alternative fuels are an option but won't come overnight. I think we should start drilling and building some refineries. Even though the oil will take some time to recover, at least it will signal to OPEC and other oil producing nations that we are trying to help ourselves.

And you're absolutely right; the weak dollar is not helping at all. It's a bit troublesome.

I don't think oil will go much higher. You can't sell something for such a high price that no one will buy it. However, China, India and other nations are now competing for supply so that will have an adverse effect as demand will be driven by them as well.[/quote]
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Excellent commentary, MrWhit, as always, I like your idea of drilling, do you know if its possible for us to manufacture oil?
We should be more self-reliant. Do you think the pros of Biodiesel out weigh the cons? Are there other alternate fuels that
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I hope the price stabilizes, if people stop buying it, eventual the price has to drop, right?

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anything would be cool, but even a Hybrid car costs an arm and a leg when mechanical problems arise and trying to find a mechanic to work on them as well!
It is $3.79/gallon here in KC

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It just dropped to 3.76! woo--wee!!

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It just dropped to 3.76! woo--wee!!


Hey MrW, What are you going to do with the 3 cents/gallon you save?


I can remember when gas was around a dollar a gallon, miss those days.

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It just dropped to 3.76! woo--wee!!


Hey MrW, What are you going to do with the 3 cents/gallon you save?


I can remember when gas was around a dollar a gallon, miss those days.

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I remember that too! Now, we're stuck with quadruple that - insane! It's ranging from $4.09 - $4.19 where I am, depending on the station.

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Hey MrW, What are you going to do with the 3 cents/gallon you save?
I can remember when gas was around a dollar a gallon, miss those days.
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I know it is insane! We saw DIESEL in southern Kansas for $4.75!!!!! Diesel!
I use to drive here and there to save 3-4 cents, but now it doesn't pay to do that! So I guess I save gas with the 3 cents I gain here and there Mr.Z! :lol:

Yeah, I remember .99/gal gas too and even lower.....50 cents as a kid.....
the diesel thing I cannot understand since they don't have to refine it. It is just craziness.....

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Hey MrW, What are you going to do with the 3 cents/gallon you save?
I can remember when gas was around a dollar a gallon, miss those days.
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I know it is insane! We saw DIESEL in southern Kansas for $4.75!!!!! Diesel!
I use to drive here and there to save 3-4 cents, but now it doesn't pay to do that! So I guess I save gas with the 3 cents I gain here and there Mr.Z! :lol:

Yeah, I remember .99/gal gas too and even lower.....50 cents as a kid.....
the diesel thing I cannot understand since they don't have to refine it. It is just craziness.....



Dear MrMulligan, in truth, there are websites that follow where the cheapest gas is, depending on your area,
your living radius, if you will.
Thats what I sometimes do, at times the price difference from one station to the next is quite vast.
Sometimes, 2 stations righ next to each other are very different, makes one wonder why some cars are at the higher priced fuel station.
If its a hugh difference in the price, go there, if it does not waste more money getting there, lol.

Luckily, work for me is only a few miles away. :D

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I do keep in mind the cheaper places and do go there. I bet people go to the higher priced places if it is a known name. I know anymore I will not go to the "cheapie" gas stations as one doesn't know the quality of gas.....I have a paper route so pretty much know all the cheap places and what I have done lately is just get gas every night....it is amazing the roller coaster ride....up 11 cents, down 4 cents, up 2 cents, down 3 cents then up 11 cents again! Really! :x

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I do keep in mind the cheaper places and do go there. I bet people go to the higher priced places if it is a known name. I know anymore I will not go to the "cheapie" gas stations as one doesn't know the quality of gas.....I have a paper route so pretty much know all the cheap places and what I have done lately is just get gas every night....it is amazing the roller coaster ride....up 11 cents, down 4 cents, up 2 cents, down 3 cents then up 11 cents again! Really! :x


I am sad about such fluctuations, my empathies. Lets hope the prices either drop or stabilize.

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...well, :cry: , up a dime this am to $3.86!!! Yikes!

To our Brethren overseas---what is gas over there? You all have a good transit system though, buses, trains, etc...correct?
The damn oil companies took out all the commuter train systems here ages ago....a shame....

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Well, it just keeps gettin' better...I knew it was bad on both coasts, but shite! :o
Anyone from the east coast?

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East coast here Woodrow, out on Long Island. As mentioned in an earlier post regular goes for $4.09-$4.19, though one station just jumped to $4.29.

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Yes, Lazy, but that was Monday! :lol: I figured it would have gone up by now?!! I swear they play this poker game every night....up down, etc. One could start a betting game with it!!

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Yes, Lazy, but that was Monday! :lol: I figured it would have gone up by now?!! I swear they play this poker game every night....up down, etc. One could start a betting game with it!!


Here, it just goes up. There is no drop at all. It sucks.

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3.86 and holding....


I found 3.69 on the net, but its in a city over 10 miles away, not worth it, imho.

I wish the prices would drop.

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Not gonna happen anytime soon.


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I am fortunate enough to not have to pay for gas...in fact, I haven't paid a dime for gas for the last four years and I drive a Dodge Ram 1500 with the 5.7 liter Hemi! It costs my employer almost $80 per fill up!


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....what use to cost $30 to fill up and thought it was horrible then, now today I was on "E" and it cost me $70...... :cry:
Our hands are tied..... :x

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IMA Page TOPPIN bitch with GAS!!!! :lol:

3.98 at Atlanta, Ga. and I saw a Shell station with 4.04. :wtf: This is just a political ploy to disgruntle the
electorate before the Presidential Elections. I mean really what has changed on the World scene since
February of this year when it was at 2.77 a gallon? What a bunch of Bull Shiite. :x


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that is no shite Creeper! I paid 3.86 yesterday and now today it dropped a nickel to 3.81! What a bargain I missed.. :cry:

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[font=Courier New]~Global Gas Pump Prices Worldwide~
(Dollars per gallon as of Feb. 24, 2008. * as of March 24, 2008 Source: Reuters)

Netherlands $6.25
Norway $6.21
United Kingdom $5.94
Germany $5.87
Italy $5.72
France $5.56
South Korea $5.38
Japan $4.54
Australia $3.32
South Africa $3.24
Russia $2.38
Mexico $2.36
U.S. $2.23
Nigeria $1.85
China $1.93*
India (Delhi) $3.75*
Indonesia $1.67*
Vietnam $2.27*
Malaysia $1.93*
Bangladesh $2.42*
Singapore $4.09*
Iran $0.33*
Venezuela $0.12*
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At almost $1.80 average increase over the past 3 months, or $0.60 a month we will be at $5.00 a gallon by August.

Not to add any political slant on this but I can't help but notice the last two participants included in Reuters list.

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that is no shite Creeper! I paid 3.86 yesterday and now today it dropped a nickel to 3.81! What a bargain I missed.. :cry:



How the hell did it drop where you are?? :?

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I don't know this is what they do and today it is $3.80, dropped another penny! Go figure.....I'm tellin' ya here it is like a roulette wheel, depending on the day and where the ball bounces, it goes up 11 cents, then down 4, then up 3, down 5, up 11 again, down 5, down one, etc..... :o

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See, from 3.81 yesterday to 3.92 today! An 11 cents jump.....SOB's!!! :x

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[quote="Woodrow Mulligan"]See, from 3.81 yesterday to 3.92 today! An 11 cents jump.....


Ouch. I pray for better days, good sir.

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Well, what is it where you are Mr. Z I don't think you have ever said?
Today it went up a penny--3.93! Whatever! I sure hope better days are ahead....I have a paper route and it is killing me profits!!

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3.91 again at our QT here in KC.....


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The higher priced Shell station here actually dropped 10 cents from $4.29 to $4.19! I'd like to see a continued drop to at least under $4 very soon.

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Let the games continue...this morning it is now $3.99 at the local QT!!! But guess what...down the street about 6 blocks I went to
7-11 (this was around 3:30am on my paper route, 7-11 a lot of times doesn't change the price increase right away so I will go there usually) and it was still a bargain at $3.85!
Isn't that sad to be excited about $3.85 gas! But hell .14 cents is not a bad savings...

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The best is yet to come. I believe oil went up yesterday about $10 a barrel.

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The best is yet to come. I believe oil went up yesterday about $10 a barrel.



So when does the stability kick in?

I hope soon.

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So when does the stability kick in?

I hope soon.

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Beats the hell out of me. I was just trying to be optomistic.

It seems as though $4 a gallon has finally shaken many people out of their apathetic, reality-TV, celebrity-obsessed stupor and they are demanding solutions now.

About two months ago, I wrote letters to my representatives urging them to get off of their asses about energy policies. Namely, build more refineries, take off drilling restrictions and allow nuke plants to be built. Also to give tax breaks to companies who commit resources to alternative energy Research & Development so we can ween this country off of its oil dependency.

Not everyone would agree with my ideas, but I felt the need to do something. Again, I don't want to be political on this board. I think the economy is in relatively good shape, but oil prices have become a tremendous drag and is fueling inflation and now unemployment (which has been very low during the Bush regime) is starting to rise. Its still low at just over 5% but its rising.

BTW, I'm not defending Bush on any of this, but the POTUS does not just wave his presidential wand and make all of this stuff happen. The shackles were placed on this country by Congress and the POTUS years ago and they must work together to remove them. Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, Carter did nothing to improve our energy situation in the past, either.

Sorry guys...I feel like RamenNoodle is going to snap at me now... :roll:

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Sorry guys...I feel like RamenNoodle is going to snap at me now... :roll:


:lol: Neo-Con :lol:

Seriously though, you are 100% correct. We all saw that crap in the late 70's, knew it would happen again, and still no safe guards or alternatives were implemented or mandated. What little implementation that did occur was soon buried in bureaucracy or dismissed as non-profitable. If the oil companies took just 1 quarter of their billion dollar win-fall profits, new refineries and the like could be up and running in as short as 3 years. That is just 12 quarters of profits - so that one quarter wouldn't even be missed.

Now that the "Big 3" in Detroit see that they can't sell cars because no one can afford the gas, I bet some of those bought up and suppressed copyrights for alternative developments will start emerging.


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Not only that, but the genius of all the f-in bureaucrats for taking out virtually all public transportation in major cities, (I know LA, San Francisco, Chicago, and NY have excellent public transportation or at least they have it)especially the commuter trains! Here in KC, we have no train anymore and yet they have been fighting for about 10 years now to get one here again. Or some Disneyland Tram, or a major bus system or SOMETHING!!! :x
:wink: hmmm, wonder who was responsible for that.....certainly not big oil....

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Now that the "Big 3" in Detroit see that they can't sell cars because no one can afford the gas, I bet some of those bought up and suppressed copyrights for alternative developments will start emerging.


The Big 3 had better come up with something different soon or they won't be in business much longer.

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Not only that, but the genius of all the f-in bureaucrats for taking out virtually all public transportation in major cities, (I know LA, San Francisco, Chicago, and NY have excellent public transportation or at least they have it)especially the commuter trains! Here in KC, we have no train anymore and yet they have been fighting for about 10 years now to get one here again. Or some Disneyland Tram, or a major bus system or SOMETHING!!! :x
:wink: hmmm, wonder who was responsible for that.....certainly not big oil....


I have to admit, I hated public transportation. But about two months ago, I started taking the bus because gas and parking were costing me about $300 a month. As long as I have a book to read, I can stomach it.

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I agree with Homer Simpson who said, "Public transportation is for suckers."


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I agree with Homer Simpson who said, "Public transportation is for suckers."


Personally, I am not a big fan of public transportation either.

True I can see where its mandatory for some.


But as a vehicle owner, I look at gas as exactly what it is to me, a necessity.
I don't exactly like the gas prices now either, but I simply have to have it, so I pony up the dough and get it.

One more quick note-
I appreciate everyone "looking for a bargain", but for some of these people looking to ride all over trying to save 5 cents a gallon here and there, thats just ridiculous.

If you are trying to save that small amount, you literally burn up more gas driving to find the cheaper stuff, than you actually save.

:?

(also note I am not talking about the people with multiple gas stations very close together,like within a half mile)


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Yeah if you really think about it, let's say the average tank holds 16 gallons and the corner gas station has gas for $3.99 then about a mile or two away it is $3.92 (exactly like it is here all over at present....).

One is only saving $1.12! That's it! You know when gas started rising like it did a couple of years ago I would drive to the next station, a bit out of my way too, until I realized this fact I just mentioned! Silly! :o

Now, I just know where the cheaper gas is. The 7-11 last night had it for $3.92 as opposed to the QTrip up the street at $3.99, but I know to stop at the 7-11 as I pass rather than wait for the QT. That way I can grab a soda pop too.... :clap:

It is ridiculous the price, but I agree TZ, in what I do to make money at present, a paper route every night, I need my own vehicle. ANd since we have four small children we need a van. We cannot get a small Hybrid car or electric car as they are not made for six people to ride. We just have to adjust some things and dig in, brother! This is not gonna change for a long time. :roll:

Still sucks though!

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Beats the hell out of me. I was just trying to be optomistic.


MrWB, I truly appreciate positivity as MrMulligan can attest to, thus thank you.
MrM, it was averaged at $4.00 here.

It seems as though $4 a gallon has finally shaken many people out of their apathetic, reality-TV, celebrity-obsessed stupor and they are demanding solutions now.

I hope its a wake-up call, we need to save $$$.

About two months ago, I wrote letters to my representatives urging them to get off of their asses about energy policies. Namely, build more refineries, take off drilling restrictions and allow nuke plants to be built. Also to give tax breaks to companies who commit resources to alternative energy Research & Development so we can ween this country off of its oil dependency.

Not everyone would agree with my ideas, but I felt the need to do something. Again, I don't want to be political on this board. I think the economy is in relatively good shape, but oil prices have become a tremendous drag and is fueling inflation and now unemployment (which has been very low during the Bush regime) is starting to rise. Its still low at just over 5% but its rising.

BTW, I'm not defending Bush on any of this, but the POTUS does not just wave his presidential wand and make all of this stuff happen. The shackles were placed on this country by Congress and the POTUS years ago and they must work together to remove them. Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, Carter did nothing to improve our energy situation in the past, either.

Sorry guys...I feel like RamenNoodle is going to snap at me now... :roll:

MrWB, does not matter if your ideas are controversial, what matters is they may be or ARE
effective and you are taking action, I salute you. We need people to realize that high gas
prices effect the economy, and alternatives to it can be beneficial.

You all rule

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